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| alcosatz |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PMPosts: 1545 |
I've been thinking about this for a long time, and decided something needs to be done about admin accountability concerning the punishment of players. I will be the first to admit that I personally do not have an established method of punishing players. Just about anything goes with me. I've done some harsh bans for minor acts of stupidity on the part of our players and I don't believe I have set the correct tone for how admins deal with punishment, kicks, and bans. These are the steps I would like admins to follow when punishing a player for bad behavior. All admins should follow this, unless you are dealing with a repeat offender. "Repeat offender" means in the last few hours. Do not continually abuse a player over several days without talking to a lead admin or server operator first. 1. Warn the player with admin say (green text) that they will be punished and why. I need everyone to do this for accountability issues so I can see in the logs that you warned them first. All admin have the admin chat ability. Examples: "Stop CT spawn camping, you're going to get slayed next time." "Stop mic spamming or a mute is on the way..." "Stop grenade spamming at T spawn, or I'll set you to zero cash next round so you can't buy anything." 2. Punish the player with something "light" to let them know you're serious. Mute, blindness, slay, slap to 1 health, etc. are acceptable first punishments. Banning a player at this point is not acceptable. 3. Give the player a chance to learn from their mistake. For example, if you have muted someone, remove the mute after five or ten minutes. Do not continue to punish a player unless he or she continues to break the rules! 4. If the player appears to have stopped being obnoxious, then leave him alone. Kick the player if he continues. 5. If the player returns and complains, remind them via admin say why he or she was kicked. Example: "You were warned not to CT spawn camp." "Post on forums if you don't like it." "Play or leave, stop arguing." 6. If the player continues to argue or break rules, warn him or her and then ban (if you are Level 2 Admin or higher). If you are a Level 1 Admin then try to track down a higher level admin to ban the player. Example: "I told you not to CT spawn camp, or argue with me." "You're being banned 30 minutes for not following rules." Here is the summary that you can scribble on a post-it note and stick on your monitor.  1. Warn 2. Punish 3. Wait 4. Kick 5. Warn 6. Ban Does anyone see any problems with this process? I know it adds a bit of extra work for admins, but this gives me a clear trail of log (especially the admin chat) entries that I can follow to resolve almost any disputes of admin abuse. Let me know what you all think, thanks. |
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| Kalibur |
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Registered Member #101
Joined: Thu Dec 29 2005, 01:04AMPosts: 578 |
I like this, the steps and rules are great it will defiantly help the players and the server. I just hope all the admen?s can fallow the steps. Also please admen?s DON?T abuse the admin talk! (green text) it is there so you can warn people and tell them stuff, its not there for you to play with. Its there so you can make the server a better place when admen?s abuse the admin say (green text) it fucks with other players. So please, only use admin say (green text) when it?s really necessary! |
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| alcosatz |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
Thanks, Kalibur. I incorporated some of the suggestions you made about how admins should handle particular situations (obnoxious talking, teamkilling, etc). I like having a set of loose guidelines like the above rather than a set of steps for each situation. | ||
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| Wulfram |
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Registered Member #18
Joined: Mon Nov 21 2005, 12:08AMPosts: 18 |
Damn, now we got steps? This is gonna be difficult to follow. I don't know if I will be able to repeat myself 6 times... I will try tho.... But If they don't lestin after 2 times, you think they gonna lestin at all? | ||
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| alcosatz |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
Wulfram wrote ... Damn, now we got steps? This is gonna be difficult to follow. I don't know if I will be able to repeat myself 6 times... I will try tho.... But If they don't lestin after 2 times, you think they gonna lestin at all? Yeah, repeating youself six times would suck. Good thing that's not what I'm requesting. |
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| Omni |
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terrible one
Registered Member #33
Joined: Tue Nov 29 2005, 11:50PMPosts: 1292 |
should i still go through the procedure if for example-
a CT runs through 3-5 of his teammate with a para 15 secs into the round?
that to me seems i can skip to 30 min ban, or at least kick.....
(note: i have not run into this personally but, i am just doing one of those "what if" situations....and trying to help)
also, i think that there are situations that we would use a different system. maybe a different type of system for each type of offence? i donno, jsut brainstorming 
EDIT: i am starting to have a small problem with this system, at least for team violators....a player named "fluffy" joined at first i was surprised by his incredibly low latency (5) then i looked at his score... -1 and 1.
i knew i was gonna have to do the procedure...i gave him his first warning like step 1 says. then he continues to TK. i punish him with a slay (step 2). he still TKS. so i go to step 3, waiting. HE STILL TKs! so i do step 4, kick. he joins again and instantly got Ts again. by now the players are frustrated that i haven't banned him and start to vote ban. they keep asking y i simply don't ban him, and i tell the about the procedure. and 'fluffy' says "lol, so this new procedure allows me 15 tks?' now i warn him again...he Tks again and i ban him.
OK, now on to my point this incident needed an accelerated punishment procedure! not only did it allow the perpetrator to tk excessively(ironically he did tk XSV) but also because it took 3 times longer to punish him, it made 90% of the players mad and lose faith/trust in the admins.....
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| alcosatz |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
Mani mod will take care of that for you at 5 TK's with an automatic 30 minute ban. What is the harm in using admin say to warn them first before they either get autobanned, or you warn them after a few TK's and then kick after another TK? I think banning without warning is the wrong way to go. It sets a terrible example for other admins and tends to put the regulars on edge when several of them see someone being banned and have no idea why. What other situations? I'd like some more examples. |
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| NavySeal |
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Navy
Registered Member #2
Joined: Sat Nov 12 2005, 03:29AMPosts: 15 |
I myself if he was tking everyround would do the following. Warn Him Slay Him Warn-Kick Warn Ban. Maybe skip the 3rd warn. Because why should we waste our time on a shit bag who is gonna keep tking and not only ruin our day but his fellow players day. I think alexh was not making this as 6commandments that must be followed as such. He was just setting up a guidline of punishment. Of course ur not gonna use this if someone is haxing. Thats were we come in to intepret this and try to do the best job we can. Thats why were admins, With Power comes responsibility. With responsibility comes problems. With Problems comes solutions. This is my input. |
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| MiddleMan |
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Registered Member #25
Joined: Sun Nov 27 2005, 04:48AMPosts: 14 |
Good Ideas that should be followed. I would also bring out the point of common sence. If someone is being a camplete ass and by a majority all the other players are gettign annoyed it should be takin care of. Comon sence is a good way to go on allot of things but these procedures put a good stable procces into affect. Hope I got something across I think im rambling. | ||
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| Omni |
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terrible one
Registered Member #33
Joined: Tue Nov 29 2005, 11:50PM Posts: 1292 |
alexh wrote ... Mani mod will take care of that for you at 5 TK's with an automatic 30 minute ban. What is the harm in using admin say to warn them first before they either get autobanned, or you warn them after a few TK's and then kick after another TK? I think banning without warning is the wrong way to go. It sets a terrible example for other admins and tends to put the regulars on edge when several of them see someone being banned and have no idea why. What other situations? I'd like some more examples. what i mean by other situation is that each type of offece should have its own system of warnings/punishments...again, restating what i sdi, for TK we should have a system, for nade spaming, mike spamming etc, should all have different ways of punishments... |
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