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aborted fetus wrote ... **Quickly scrolls past the long posts** So, what is this thread about? I can fight. Basic sum up gose like this. Orignaly it was about making spam post not count towards the 30 post. The current stuff is about people wanting to pretty much do away with post count. Jesus T wants to make it so you only have to make a intro to be voted in and then over 2 months you must post 3 nonspam post at least once a month. I am arguing that we should keep the rules the same and if anything do what this is orignaly about making spam post not count. If you want a more specific read the last 2 or 3 pages and it should put you about up to date. |
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I am not saying because I don't have xfire I am using myself because I do not know for a fact who dose and dosen't use xfire or steam friends. I can say that there are people who do not use those means of communication in our clan. Since I didn't have a good example ready I used myself.Please, name more people that don't use Xfire or Steam Friends... I for one go out of my way to find out about a person, if I still can't make the decision in time, I stay out of the vote all together.. It's easier to stay out than it is to make a vote; you simply do not do anything! It doesn't rest on the intro thread; the intro thread is there so that you know about the person's interests, etcetera... How can you understand a person's personality if they send out gay comments? You don't know shit about them, so what does it matter whether the spew out gay shit or nothing at all? It saves forum bandwidth and.. we don't think the person is a fucked up faggot (no offense, Fetus) Are you saying that you should have a public “chat” on the forums? You can have a public chat, but is that necessary or reasonable? So your saying we should just throw away the rules and say welcome? Everyone here is quite able to follow the rules if their dedication to get into the clan is so little that they cant even bother to post a little then really how much do they want to be in?Yes, throw away the rules and say welcome! *Note the sarcasm* I am saying to eliminate the barrier preventing people from joining the clan so that they will have the OPPORTUNITY to join, not grant them entry right away. They still need to undergo the nomination procedure where people are as entitled to vote no as they were before... You seem to think that I want to push forward a referendum that permits people without the posts instance access to FT, but that is NOT what I am trying to attain here; I am trying to focus this discussion on ways to tweak the 30 post “rule” (I call it a requirement) so that people (like Kever) who have been here for over eight months but only have a handful of posts in. People like Saucey who has been here for a short amount of time but many people know and like him, but he only has just a couple of legit posts, the rest are one-liners... Also where in your proposal dose it say anything about 8 mounts? What you proposed would work for anyone with the hours. Huh? First lets start with I do know saucy so don't assume who I do and don't know. Assuming makes a ass out of you. And you make an ass out of yourself... go on... If kever wants in so bad I don't think that posting a bit is really that much to ask. This is a community clan but if she is not involved with the community but rather only the FTC community then she is not really a part of the community. The forums are a way that people from both servers talk and get to know each other not just people from one server. Is it really to much to ask that she get to know the rest of the community? Do you know what happens every time she posts? Some immature kid goes “OMGZ KEVER POSTED, POST PICS POST PICS!” (sorry Czech if that was you  ) Naturally you feel used and you probably don't want to repost to avoid this negative attention, am I right? H ey, buddy, news fucking flash: IM ONLY INVOLVED WITH THE FTC COMMUNITY. Do I surf? I have about two or three hours in my total time with the FT Community. Do I play gungame? I have about five or six hours in my total time with the FT Community. Does this mean that I should get the boot because I don't spend enough time in all of FT's affairs? Kever talks to people from Surf, yet she (I believe) doesn't surf. Does this mean that she has no contact with the Surfers because she doesn't talk to them on the forums? Hey, I think you should pick up Xfire and add friends to your list... I don't play surf and yet I have Kevin, Emerican, Mdogg, Czech – just to name a few, along with others that are both FT and f7l5. Well I guess kever is a bad example of that because she is very well known by the community though probably not positively. In fact I play with kever a lot in game I have enjoyed fighting a tough opponent but I don't know her in the least. If put to a vote I would have no idea who she truly is. I would probably vote against it since I don't have a feel of her personality and I know little other then the problems we had with her a while back. Damn strait it is a bad example for you, it proves my fucking point. How is she not “positively” known by the community? She is known to be a legit player who is very good (Hence the constant hackusations that I go through as well...) She is known to back away from drama and problems... I know for a fact that she talks to LOTS of people in the FT community... How is this bad? I really don't think 30 post is asking to much of someone if they are really dedicated to get into the clan. Why do you feel it is so much trouble? I want a good reason why people shouldn't have to take the time and/or effort to make some post.What about those who make the thirty posts JUST to get into the clan? If they just stop dead in their tracks from posting.. What then? Do we terminate? That's why I suggested a “Probationary Nomination” where you must make three legit non-spam posts per month. Is THAT too much to ask for? You really don't know what an IDEA is? I gave a fucking IDEA to what can be accomplished through a compromise to the thirty post requirement, and you are shoving it back at me saying that it is what I am trying to pass. It was a fucking idea. If you don't know what an IDEA is, I'll provide you with the definintion: 1. any conception existing in the mind as a result of mental understanding, awareness, or activity. 2. a thought, conception, or notion: That is an excellent idea. 3. an impression: He gave me a general idea of how he plans to run the department. 4. an opinion, view, or belief: His ideas on raising children are certainly strange. 5. a plan of action; an intention: the idea of becoming an engineer. 6. a groundless supposition; fantasy. 7. Philosophy. a. a concept developed by the mind. b. a conception of what is desirable or ought to be; ideal. Edited Fri Aug 24 2007, 05:47AM |
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[quote]]I am not saying because I don't have xfire I am using myself because I do not know for a fact who dose and dosen't use xfire or steam friends. I can say that there are people who do not use those means of communication in our clan. Since I didn't have a good example ready I used myself.Please, name more people that don't use Xfire or Steam Friends...[quote] You really don't know how to read do you? I said I DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHO DOSE OR DOSE NOT HAVE XFIRE BUT I KNOW NOT EVERYONE USES IT!!!!! Maybe you can understand it when I write it like that is it noticeable enough for you? How can I come up with a list of people when i don't know the information to start with? Do you expect me to take a poll of everyone and say " Do you have xfire?"? I don't care for the answer to that because I will not do so. If you want to prove everyone uses it and there for it is a legit means of communicating with everyone then you disprove that there are people that don't use it. Unfortunately if you take that path you already lost since at least one person me dose not and there for that means that they can not possibly make contact with the entire clan using it. wrote ... I for one go out of my way to find out about a person, if I still can't make the decision in time, I stay out of the vote all together.. It's easier to stay out than it is to make a vote; you simply do not do anything! It doesn't rest on the intro thread; the intro thread is there so that you know about the person's interests, etcetera... How can you understand a person's personality if they send out gay comments? You don't know shit about them, so what does it matter whether the spew out gay shit or nothing at all? It saves forum bandwidth and.. we don't think the person is a fucked up faggot (no offense, Fetus) Are you saying that you should have a public “chat” on the forums? You can have a public chat, but is that necessary or reasonable? That is great that you go out to find out about people but not everyone will. Personally I have kept myself from voting on people I don't know but if I see no post next to their name I will not just not vote. It just shows to me they really don't care. Also not all post are about being gay and being a faggot. I have never made such a post and same can be said for most of our members. The people who make most of those post are people already in the clan. I am not saying they should do bullshit to get in personally if I know them for that I will vote no also. I am also not saying to make it into a chat I am suggesting that community forum become a place that the community in question talks about things you know like a forum. Yeh you know that is the whole idea behind forums is that people talk to each other like me and you are right now. Also in a system where all they need is a intro it dose completely rest on in game time and intro but for people that don't play on that server or are not on at the same time it is just the intro. Since those other 2 catagroies most likely will make up majority of the people it will then rest on the intro. Of course that case is limited on people who have been around forever because the people not on at the same time will become much lesser. As for how I get to know people from gay post it tells me that they are trying to make stupid post to get in and there for they should have to wait. From people that make real post it can tell me something about them. What do you learn about a person from no contact and no forum post? What do you learn from a intro? From a intro you get some feel for the person you get their likes, age, interest, and stuff of that nature and most likely a lot of positive aspects that they at least feel they have. The more you know a person the more you converse the more likely you are to understand the person. I don't like to base my choices on what others think of themselves or what they like. wrote ... So your saying we should just throw away the rules and say welcome? Everyone here is quite able to follow the rules if their dedication to get into the clan is so little that they cant even bother to post a little then really how much do they want to be in?Yes, throw away the rules and say welcome! *Note the sarcasm* I am saying to eliminate the barrier preventing people from joining the clan so that they will have the OPPORTUNITY to join, not grant them entry right away. They still need to undergo the nomination procedure where people are as entitled to vote no as they were before... You seem to think that I want to push forward a referendum that permits people without the posts instance access to FT, but that is NOT what I am trying to attain here; I am trying to focus this discussion on ways to tweak the 30 post “rule” (I call it a requirement) so that people (like Kever) who have been here for over eight months but only have a handful of posts in. People like Saucey who has been here for a short amount of time but many people know and like him, but he only has just a couple of legit posts, the rest are one-liners... I don't agree that this is giving them a opportunity I feel this just lets them find a way around the old system. Your right it will allow people who don't feel like posting the ability to get in there for it is technically a new opportunity but it is a cheap cop out way to get around rules. At least saucey can deal with the rules put in place and do what he must to get what he wants. I am saying just because someone has been around longer but is not really being active in the community aside from time in server should not give them a advantage of someone who is active on both ends. wrote ... Also where in your proposal dose it say anything about 8 mounts? What you proposed would work for anyone with the hours. Huh? Yeh my bad on this one it was a spell check mistake ( wasn't paying attention.) The word was months. If you still don't get it you were saying that it was not meant to help new people but to help people who have been around 8 months and that it wasn't possible for someone with 1 post and enough hours to get in. I am saying that since your proposal dose not state otherwise it would work for anyone. wrote ... First lets start with I do know saucy so don't assume who I do and don't know. Assuming makes a ass out of you. And you make an ass out of yourself... go on... The person making a ass out of themselves is you. Your assuming who I know that makes you a ass and since you said this to reply that makes you a dumbass. wrote ... If kever wants in so bad I don't think that posting a bit is really that much to ask. This is a community clan but if she is not involved with the community but rather only the FTC community then she is not really a part of the community. The forums are a way that people from both servers talk and get to know each other not just people from one server. Is it really to much to ask that she get to know the rest of the community? Do you know what happens every time she posts? Some immature kid goes “OMGZ KEVER POSTED, POST PICS POST PICS!” (sorry Czech if that was you ) Naturally you feel used and you probably don't want to repost to avoid this negative attention, am I right? If she never deals with it then it will always remain that way. Things don't change just because you want them to you have to make a effort. Has she ever responded to that with something along the lines of "Your not getting a picture please leave me alone that is getting annoying"? If you don't even ask them to stop and they don't see something wrong with it of course it will continue. wrote ... Hey, buddy, news fucking flash: IM ONLY INVOLVED WITH THE FTC COMMUNITY. Do I surf? I have about two or three hours in my total time with the FT Community. Do I play gungame? I have about five or six hours in my total time with the FT Community. Does this mean that I should get the boot because I don't spend enough time in all of FT's affairs? News flash your not. Lets review what you do and do not do. Do - play ftc as you said. Do not- Play in fts Do - post on the forums Do - get involved in ft issues Do - respond to thing on the forums Do - present and take care of issue brought up against you or by you. see you have plenty of time on the forums where people from surf can get to know you. You are involved in things other then FTC even if FTC is your reason for involvement. wrote ... Kever talks to people from Surf, yet she (I believe) doesn't surf. Does this mean that she has no contact with the Surfers because she doesn't talk to them on the forums? Hey, I think you should pick up Xfire and add friends to your list... I don't play surf and yet I have Kevin, Emerican, Mdogg, Czech – just to name a few, along with others that are both FT and f7l5. First of all I guess I should be more specific it is not that I do not have xfire but more that I do not use it. I have members on my list who no longer are even in the clan and some that never joined. I just don't enjoy using a instant messenger while in game and I don't IM in general. If I wanted to im I would use aim or msn which I use together in trillan. That way I can talk to some of my friends not only from FT but also from all over. Though I guess that had no real point other then to point out I don't need to "pick it up". I also didn't say no contact I said she doesn't have contact with surfers. Mine is a broad statement meaning in general most surfers she dose not speak to. Your right it is possible she talks to all them and I admit I have no proof to say she doesn't but I would be willing to stake money on it that she dose not talk to them all or even a good amount of them. Also if that is your entire list of surfers you have 4. On top of that looking at those particular 4 you notice that all of them also play on FTC from time to time. In fact I know all of them not from xfire but from FTC. I also maintain that she dose not talk in game almost ever and that means anyone who knows her from in game still knows nothing about her. wrote ... Well I guess kever is a bad example of that because she is very well known by the community though probably not positively. In fact I play with kever a lot in game I have enjoyed fighting a tough opponent but I don't know her in the least. If put to a vote I would have no idea who she truly is. I would probably vote against it since I don't have a feel of her personality and I know little other then the problems we had with her a while back. Damn strait it is a bad example for you, it proves my fucking point. How is she not “positively” known by the community? She is known to be a legit player who is very good (Hence the constant hackusations that I go through as well...) She is known to back away from drama and problems... I know for a fact that she talks to LOTS of people in the FT community... How is this bad? First of all she doesn't prove your point very well but she defnatly doesn't prove my point at all. I just used her as a example to keep with your example. I know you have problems with examples so I figured using your own would keep us on the same page. As for how she is negatively known. First of all I got nothing against her nor do I think she hacks but plenty of people still do. To them she is still known as someone who most likely hacks but can not be proven otherwise. Those who think she hacks are told to shut the fuck up and tell everyone else to shut up about it but that doesn't make it a resolved issue. The end of the issue was just people told that if you cant prove it deal with it. She was never proven a legit member but she was never proven a hacker. There for the issue was dropped but the thoughts of people and the anger was never fully dealt with. While I have no problem with her and do not hold it against her she still is seen by some in a negative light. As for how she is bad well I can't see her voting or anything that is really a part of being in the clan since she backs off from all drama and conflict. Putting any idea out on the net is like putting a big stake in front of millions of dogs they are going to tear it apart. This means she will never participate in anything she can't even muster up the guts to deal with direct charges brought against her how will she deal with any issues since they all have conflict. Not everyone will agree on anything. That and as I said that is about all I know about her. In essence all I know is she doesn't like drama and conflicts and that she won't defend herself. Aside from that she is just the silent person sitting in office waiting to find out who is the faster and more accurate shooter when I enter that door. Also I know people did and some still do think she hacks and that she became the center of a lot of drama because of it. wrote ... I really don't think 30 post is asking to much of someone if they are really dedicated to get into the clan. Why do you feel it is so much trouble? I want a good reason why people shouldn't have to take the time and/or effort to make some post.What about those who make the thirty posts JUST to get into the clan? If they just stop dead in their tracks from posting.. What then? Do we terminate? That's why I suggested a “Probationary Nomination” where you must make three legit non-spam posts per month. Is THAT too much to ask for? What about them? If they do that most people vote against them unless they are very well known for other things. In which case they would have no problem in ether system. Personally I think yes it is to much to ask for to change a 30 post min to a 7 post min. As for people being terminated I don't have a good answer then again I don't really know many good examples of that behavior. Specifically I am talking about people getting in ft and never posting again but remaining regularly active in game. I guess it would really depend on their conduct and if they at all seem to care about the community they wanted so badly to join. Terminations can be done for any reason so long as you can justify it and if people agree they agree. As for myself posting such a termination it is unlikely. I don't like to post terminations to much hassle and things to check on and triple check all to get a name off our records. If I am posting such a thing it would most likely be for someone who hasn't set foot here in ages or someone who I really really feel is determental to the community. The last case would take something rather exstreem. wrote ...
You really don't know what an IDEA is? I gave a fucking IDEA to what can be accomplished through a compromise to the thirty post requirement, and you are shoving it back at me saying that it is what I am trying to pass. It was a fucking idea. If you don't know what an IDEA is, I'll provide you with the definintion: 1. any conception existing in the mind as a result of mental understanding, awareness, or activity. 2. a thought, conception, or notion: That is an excellent idea. 3. an impression: He gave me a general idea of how he plans to run the department. 4. an opinion, view, or belief: His ideas on raising children are certainly strange. 5. a plan of action; an intention: the idea of becoming an engineer. 6. a groundless supposition; fantasy. 7. Philosophy. a. a concept developed by the mind. b. a conception of what is desirable or ought to be; ideal. First of all I know what idea is and unlike you I have not demonstrated that I do not. I just do not agree with your idea. On the other hand you have repeatedly in the past few days taken examples I say and acting like I am saying they are the only thing like that. What have I ever said that makes you think I don't know what a idea is? A good exsample of what makes me think you don't know what exsample is would be wrote ... You may be right that it makes them wait longer if they have to post something that contributes to the clan even if it is spam of sorts but not all spam is the same. Like Wu he would spam quite a lot but it contributed he made all kinda stories about him and his family and stuff like that. Spam of that nature I am sure most people will agree is acceptable and you can fight that those are legit post. So you want people to make more fictional, incestuous and fucked up stories? Gotcha. In this instance you assumed that I wanted all post to be stories about incest. You did not notice it was a example. There for it would give off the impression that. A ) you don't know what a example is. B ) You were trying to be a smart ass and make my idea (yeh your word again) seem less valid by making it seem like that is the only way it can be accomplished. I choose option A given that you have recently done similar things. Now that we covered that I know what a fucking idea is and have explained why I felt the need to define example for you lets get on with what is wrong with your idea of a compromise. Your idea of a good compromise is lowering the post total form 30 to 7 that is a difference of 23. 23 is a rather big difference in numbers this alone make it pulled towards your side. On top of this you want them in before they have to post this is once more on the no post side. Pretty much your idea of a compromise is taking things 99% to one side and leaving it 1% the other way. I am not shoving it back to you but I am shoving it back. I am against your idea and so there for it is only natural that I say that I am. Your throwing back my idea that we shouldn't change it and that people should have to post but do you hear me complaining? All ideas invite conflict and if you can't deal with people not agreeing with you then your better off not posting your idea. If you want a true compromise you need to meet half way not all the way to one side. Edited Fri Aug 24 2007, 08:47AM |
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Just going block by block and re-editing hereI am also not saying to make it into a chat I am suggesting that community forum become a place that the community in question talks about things you know like a forum. Yeh you know that is the whole idea behind forums is that people talk to each other like me and you are right now.This is my point. We are talking about a community issue. People that are not in FT cannot post on issues like this, so how can they "talk" on forums about things like this? That is why I suggested a probationary period where they can input their thoughts and or suggestions into threads such as this, but if they still hold out on it, then they are removed from the clan. That was my point; if they can't post on the schooling fish stuff, give them a chance in FT affairs, but if they continue to hold out then they get the automatic termination. As for how I get to know people from gay post it tells me that they are trying to make stupid post to get in and there for they should have to wait. From people that make real post it can tell me something about them. What do you learn about a person from no contact and no forum post? What do you learn from a intro?Yes, you get all that from the intro, which tells you about the person, that is precisely why we ask for an intro. To find out about the person's personality, you can find it out by both playing in-game and talking to them on xfire and steam friends How much do I know about you? All I know is that you went to Blizcon, you like to make really long posts arguing people and you like the Desert Eagle.. Does that mean you aren't a good addition to the community? How about Alcohol-Powered.. I wouldn't know two shits about him if I hadn't spoken to him on Xfire. Same with Bubble Goose, I know a shitload about his political beliefs etc just from a few hours on xfire. Same with Kever, Ninca, A Drunk... From Xfire, not forums... I don't agree that this is giving them a opportunity I feel this just lets them find a way around the old system. Your right it will allow people who don't feel like posting the ability to get in there for it is technically a new opportunity but it is a cheap cop out way to get around rules. At least saucey can deal with the rules put in place and do what he must to get what he wants.From my understanding, the old system has been changed quite a bit already... And for the last fucking time: I am not saying we should use what I said, I was giving an idea. You can tweak it to say 10 min posts then 5 per month probationary, etc, it was just an IDEA!!! If you don't know Saucey by now then that's a real shame... He has been on FTC for shitloads of hours within the past month and has befriended almost everyone there. He has ventured to the forums and has approximately 15 posts. You don't know him AT ALL? Maybe it should be you that should PLAY more. If she never deals with it then it will always remain that way. Things don't change just because you want them to you have to make a effort. Has she ever responded to that with something along the lines of "Your not getting a picture please leave me alone that is getting annoying"? If you don't even ask them to stop and they don't see something wrong with it of course it will continue.Are you for real? The only thing she can do to "deal with it" is by avoiding it. Do you think people will listen if she says stop? The people know damn well that she doesn't like it, yet they continue. Hell, she hasn't even told me she doesn't like it, but I can pick it up. It's all a case of maturity dude, those who are immature (surfers) need to comment uselessly, but hey, they can't post in FT Community Clan!! Do people stop accusing me of hacking after I say "Hey, I don't hack, so please leave me alone"? Hells no! They keep going on and on and on and on and on. I choose to ignore it now for those that are useless, laugh at it by those who are joking, and play it back at them to those who are douchebags. First of all she doesn't prove your point very well but she defnatly doesn't prove my point at all. I just used her as a example to keep with your example. I know you have problems with examples so I figured using your own would keep us on the same page.Yup, ok, try to discredit me even further even though I know damn well what an example is, but go on "dumbass"... As for how she is negatively known. First of all I got nothing against her nor do I think she hacks but plenty of people still do. To them she is still known as someone who most likely hacks but can not be proven otherwise. Those who think she hacks are told to shut the fuck up and tell everyone else to shut up about it but that doesn't make it a resolved issue. The end of the issue was just people told that if you cant prove it deal with it.Ok, then by the same logic, I am negatively known. People still think I hack even if you don't think that same way. People can say I most likely hack, even though nobody can prove it.. If I have not be proved to be a hacker, am I not legit? Or do I fall into some sort of void between hacking and not-hacking? I don't understand... I would assume that with two possibilities you are either one or the other. If I have not been proven to be hacker, then that leaves me as.. legit? Shitloads of people still think I hack, but guess what? I got into FT. I have admin on FTC. I can still have a fun time on FTC. What are you trying to say? Kever should not be permitted entry to the clan because people thinks she hacks? I guess I shouldn't be a part of the clan for the same reason... As for how she is bad well I can't see her voting or anything that is really a part of being in the clan since she backs off from all drama and conflict. Putting any idea out on the net is like putting a big stake in front of millions of dogs they are going to tear it apart. This means she will never participate in anything she can't even muster up the guts to deal with direct charges brought against her how will she deal with any issues since they all have conflict. Not everyone will agree on anything. That and as I said that is about all I know about her.Let me rephrase what I meant to say. She will be the mature one and settle the problem with the least residing issues... Since you love to use examples, I will use one: If there is a problem with her and people are all flustered and upset, she will leave to avoid conflicts. Does this mean that she wouldn't offer an idea or compromise to the voting system? Ideas for the FTC server? Any of that stuff? 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[quote]] Just going block by block and re-editing here I am also not saying to make it into a chat I am suggesting that community forum become a place that the community in question talks about things you know like a forum. Yeh you know that is the whole idea behind forums is that people talk to each other like me and you are right now.This is my point. We are talking about a community issue. People that are not in FT cannot post on issues like this, so how can they "talk" on forums about things like this? That is why I suggested a probationary period where they can input their thoughts and or suggestions into threads such as this, but if they still hold out on it, then they are removed from the clan. That was my point; if they can't post on the schooling fish stuff, give them a chance in FT affairs, but if they continue to hold out then they get the automatic termination.[/quote] I am not saying to have to be talking about this particularly I guess it would be more like me and you were talking on philosophy or anyone and anyone else talk in school fish or any other forums. I don't agree we should let them jump right into FT affairs and if you think about it realistically other then votes we don't have many issues like this so unless they are bringing it up for the sake of their quota then they could not get 3 post a month off FT community unless you count votes. They already have plenty of places they are free to talk why do we need to let them in here to do that? wrote ... As for how I get to know people from gay post it tells me that they are trying to make stupid post to get in and there for they should have to wait. From people that make real post it can tell me something about them. What do you learn about a person from no contact and no forum post? What do you learn from a intro?Yes, you get all that from the intro, which tells you about the person, that is precisely why we ask for an intro. To find out about the person's personality, you can find it out by both playing in-game and talking to them on xfire and steam friends How much do I know about you? All I know is that you went to Blizcon, you like to make really long posts arguing people and you like the Desert Eagle.. Does that mean you aren't a good addition to the community? How about Alcohol-Powered.. I wouldn't know two shits about him if I hadn't spoken to him on Xfire. Same with Bubble Goose, I know a shitload about his political beliefs etc just from a few hours on xfire. Same with Kever, Ninca, A Drunk... From Xfire, not forums... Yes but you learn that stuff but you neglected to talk about how it is all from their perspective. I am talking about the kinda person someone is. From the forums and in game I can say your a person who upholds the rules despite conflict. You don't back down until someone can convince that your not right. You don't really read you skim though long post. That is about my knowledge of you. All of that is mostly useless since I am looking at personality. I get to know people from forums and sometimes IM and often in game. Also your knowledge about me tells me that you don't really know who I am. There for if I were in your shoes I would not know if I was or was not a good addition to the clan and so I would not vote in such a case. Since at least by your clames you don't have a feel for my personality or who I am. Additionally if I didn't take the effort to post anything or at least nothing but spam then I would vote no because it seems to me they lack effort or are trying to hard. Also just to clarify I don't "like" degals I just use them all the time. I have a rule that I can't buy anything but pistols. This rule is to make me a better shooter. Limited ammo presents a need to shoot more accurately. I am not saying xfire is not a legit way to get to know some of the clan. I am saying that it is not a way to talk to all of the clan. As far as I can tell most of everyone who is not gone for some reason or another still visits the forums regularly. This means you got more of a chance to communicate with everyone. wrote ... I don't agree that this is giving them a opportunity I feel this just lets them find a way around the old system. Your right it will allow people who don't feel like posting the ability to get in there for it is technically a new opportunity but it is a cheap cop out way to get around rules. At least saucey can deal with the rules put in place and do what he must to get what he wants.From my understanding, the old system has been changed quite a bit already... And for the last fucking time: I am not saying we should use what I said, I was giving an idea. You can tweak it to say 10 min posts then 5 per month probationary, etc, it was just an IDEA!!! The old system has been changed but most the time things don't get easier they get harder to get in. On top of that this system is the least changed. Every time someone tries to change it one side or the other is no happy and will disagree with it like is happening now. For the last time I know what a idea and if we shouldn't use what you said then why did you say it? Your not just talking about a idea it is also a suggestion. The way you wrote it orrignaly was. Jesus[tzahal wrote ... ] Ermm... How about we say: 1 - An introduction thread is mandatory for a nomination 2 - If a nominee has under the 30 miniumum post requirement then they must submit three non-spam posts per month for two months as "probation" 3 - If the new member doesn't meet the "probation requirements" then a termination thread is automatically warranted; here it is up for the members to decide whether the new guy(or gal) should stay or not because of reasonings for not meeting the "probation requirements" 4 - A player with 250+ hours is allowed to be nominated so long as they have met condition one (1) Of course, those can always be tweaked  Moving to Community Forums for discussion er how about we? are you trying to tell you weren't suggestion we do this exact thing? If that is so then I am saying that I don't like your suggestion. Sure I could tweak it but personally I think things are fine as they are and also having a member who might not be a member in 2 months because of post count can throw off votes. I don't like the idea of a temp member it is easier when we have 2 types of people. Those in the clan and those not in the clan getting into temp members is just a annoyance. Also I don't want to force them into something so strict about something they already have. Sometimes there is nothing but spam and they could wind up with a bad month where everything is spam. If that happens they loss their membership over a different stupid rule. You still haven't really provided a good reason to change the rules at all. Your only reason is that you feel that certain people should be in the clan because they have been around a long time and sometimes they might not see a good opening on the forums or they are shy or something of that nature. This is not a real reason to change the rules they just got to face their fears if their shy or make a topic or deal with their problems and take a chance. Hell I hate heights I cant stand them and the thought of being in a airplane was crazy with the insane heights I would be at. You know what I wanted to goto blizzcon enough that I got on that plane and flew the entire length of this country. You might be wondering what this has to do with anything. I am saying sometimes to get what you want you have to deal with something that you hate. wrote ... If you don't know Saucey by now then that's a real shame... He has been on FTC for shitloads of hours within the past month and has befriended almost everyone there. He has ventured to the forums and has approximately 15 posts. You don't know him AT ALL? Maybe it should be you that should PLAY more. That last line once again makes me question if you read at all. FOR THE LAST TIME I FUCKING KNOW WHO HE IS!! The whole assumtion thing is about me knowing someone you said I didn't know. You made a assumtion and it was wrong and I told you not to tell me who I do and do not know. So you made a ass out of yourself. The fact your continuing this and still haven't figured out that I know him is just beyond me. Maybe you should spend less time playing and more time learnign how to read. Also I would play more if I could but I got a lot of stuff to do. If you payed attention on the forums or in game even you might know I recently opened my own store and that I sleep all day and work all night. I posted about it about 2 months ago maybe 2 and a half and talk about it in game a lot. Not everyone has infnate amount of free time. wrote ... If she never deals with it then it will always remain that way. Things don't change just because you want them to you have to make a effort. Has she ever responded to that with something along the lines of "Your not getting a picture please leave me alone that is getting annoying"? If you don't even ask them to stop and they don't see something wrong with it of course it will continue.Are you for real? The only thing she can do to "deal with it" is by avoiding it. Do you think people will listen if she says stop? The people know damn well that she doesn't like it, yet they continue. Hell, she hasn't even told me she doesn't like it, but I can pick it up. It's all a case of maturity dude, those who are immature (surfers) need to comment uselessly, but hey, they can't post in FT Community Clan!! Do people stop accusing me of hacking after I say "Hey, I don't hack, so please leave me alone"? Hells no! They keep going on and on and on and on and on. I choose to ignore it now for those that are useless, laugh at it by those who are joking, and play it back at them to those who are douchebags. Yes I am for real since she takes no action against it then nothing will change. Your right some people might not listen to it. Avoiding a problem is not dealing with it that is just running away. Running never makes a problem better only worse. As for your hacking claims most people are probably joking I get told the same thing. If you just tell them I don't hack stfu all the time in a way that they know it gets to you then they will keep it up sure. They want a good and funny reaction. When people say it to me I say "Yeh i got ninja hacks I can run on walls and move though shadows and turn invisible when no one is looking." They don't keep annoying me and I get on with my game. Most the time there is a good laugh. She could also post a picture of some movie actor and say yeh that is totally me. Something we all know isn't her and most people would just laugh about it and let it go. wrote ... First of all she doesn't prove your point very well but she defnatly doesn't prove my point at all. I just used her as a example to keep with your example. I know you have problems with examples so I figured using your own would keep us on the same page.Yup, ok, try to discredit me even further even though I know damn well what an example is, but go on "dumbass"... As for how she is negatively known. First of all I got nothing against her nor do I think she hacks but plenty of people still do. To them she is still known as someone who most likely hacks but can not be proven otherwise. Those who think she hacks are told to shut the fuck up and tell everyone else to shut up about it but that doesn't make it a resolved issue. The end of the issue was just people told that if you cant prove it deal with it.Ok, then by the same logic, I am negatively known. People still think I hack even if you don't think that same way. People can say I most likely hack, even though nobody can prove it.. If I have not be proved to be a hacker, am I not legit? Or do I fall into some sort of void between hacking and not-hacking? I don't understand... I would assume that with two possibilities you are either one or the other. If I have not been proven to be hacker, then that leaves me as.. legit? Shitloads of people still think I hack, but guess what? I got into FT. I have admin on FTC. I can still have a fun time on FTC. What are you trying to say? Kever should not be permitted entry to the clan because people thinks she hacks? I guess I shouldn't be a part of the clan for the same reason... I really don't know a single person that thinks you hack. You go on and on about it but I been here since the start and I find out fairly fast if there is a suspected hacker and your name never really came up. I think it might have appeared in the kever conversation once or twice. Kever on the other hand had a huge debate one which was never satisfied. Your not a good example of how my argument is flawed in fact no one is because she is the only one with a case like hers. Also all I said is it can negatively effect her and that is puts a negative view there. What that means is that someone who only knows her from the trial most likely knows her negatively. You never had that working against you. I am talking about what could be you don't know for sure unless it happens. wrote ... As for how she is bad well I can't see her voting or anything that is really a part of being in the clan since she backs off from all drama and conflict. Putting any idea out on the net is like putting a big stake in front of millions of dogs they are going to tear it apart. This means she will never participate in anything she can't even muster up the guts to deal with direct charges brought against her how will she deal with any issues since they all have conflict. Not everyone will agree on anything. That and as I said that is about all I know about her.Let me rephrase what I meant to say. She will be the mature one and settle the problem with the least residing issues... Since you love to use examples, I will use one: If there is a problem with her and people are all flustered and upset, she will leave to avoid conflicts. Does this mean that she wouldn't offer an idea or compromise to the voting system? Ideas for the FTC server? Any of that stuff? How can you be so quick to judge if you haven't even spoken to her? First off running away whenever there is a conflict is not a sign of maturity. I am saying if what you said is true that she will just walk away from conflicts and stuff like that then when she proposes something like you did and someone like me dose not agree she will just leave it and nothing will get accomplished. My only thing to go on is when she was in the trial and there she did just as I said. That is the thing though I can't know her because I don't talk to her nor do I have the means to do so. She never talks in game and I don't use xfire. Oh yeh posting in pieces like that is annoying. Edited Fri Aug 24 2007, 07:52PM |
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er how about we? are you trying to tell you weren't suggestion we do this exact thing? If that is so then I am saying that I don't like your suggestion.Note how I said "Of course, those can always be tweaked " as well as "Moving to Community Forums for discussion"?Yes, I was suggesting an idea, you are right.. What does that prove? I sparked the discussion with suggesting an idea. Would you give shit to anyone who suggested anything? If someone suggests something, would it not be an idea that they thought of that could possibly work? I think that suggestion and idea are intertwined in this case.. You still haven't really provided a good reason to change the rules at all. Your only reason is that you feel that certain people should be in the clan because they have been around a long time and sometimes they might not see a good opening on the forums or they are shy or something of that nature. This is not a real reason to change the rules they just got to face their fears if their shy or make a topic or deal with their problems and take a chance.Ok.. Can I say that I want to have a discussion on the current minimum requirement for entrance to FT? Can I say that I feel that the thirty post requirement is unnecessary as not all posts provide proper insight into one's personality? Can I say that I feel that the thirty post requirement is not the best way to determine who is a "regular"? After all, that is what the requirement is in place for... 6. Minimum Requirements... At least 100 hours on FT servers and at least 30 forum posts before someone could be considered. All it means is that 100 hours and 30 posts is the bare minimum to be considered a 'regular'.That is the official "rule" It says that the thirty posts along with the one hundred hours is the bare minimum "to be considered a 'regular'." All I am trying to say here is that I feel that the thirty post rule isn't the most efficient or necessary way to determine whether or not someone is a regular. The "rule" is in place to say "Hey, this person hasn't been here long enough because they haven't been on the forums enough, they aren't a regular and therefore shouldn't be allowed into the clan yet." What I am trying to get people to discuss is another way to get people to be considered a 'regular' without attaining 30 posts. How about number of visits to the site? You can only have a maximum of 2 per day, so wouldn't that be a possibility? How about an intro thread + 5 other posts coupled with 150 hours combined from FT servers, including 100 on FTC? I was sparking a discussion and you turned it into a "That is the rule, it sucks, DIE!!!" Edited Fri Aug 24 2007, 07:48PM |
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[quote]]er how about we? are you trying to tell you weren't suggestion we do this exact thing? If that is so then I am saying that I don't like your suggestion.Note how I said "Of course, those can always be tweaked " as well as "Moving to Community Forums for discussion"?Yes, I was suggesting an idea, you are right.. What does that prove? I sparked the discussion with suggesting an idea. Would you give shit to anyone who suggested anything? If someone suggests something, would it not be an idea that they thought of that could possibly work? I think that suggestion and idea are intertwined in this case..[/quote] My point is you are telling us what you think we should do and I don't agree. I wouldn't shoot down any suggestion I would only shoot down suggestions i disagree with. If I were helping your case it would be because I agree with your suggestion. In other words I help what i agree with and go against what I disagree with. Also let me make this very very clear right now. I don't like the concept at all. The very basis for this rule of letting someone in with a intro only and then trial period of a few months is just a idea I don't like. Forgetting all the number the basic concept I think sucks. wrote ... You still haven't really provided a good reason to change the rules at all. Your only reason is that you feel that certain people should be in the clan because they have been around a long time and sometimes they might not see a good opening on the forums or they are shy or something of that nature. This is not a real reason to change the rules they just got to face their fears if their shy or make a topic or deal with their problems and take a chance.Ok.. Can I say that I want to have a discussion on the current minimum requirement for entrance to FT? Can I say that I feel that the thirty post requirement is unnecessary as not all posts provide proper insight into one's personality? Can I say that I feel that the thirty post requirement is not the best way to determine who is a "regular"? After all, that is what the requirement is in place for... Yes you can. On the same point I can disagree and say I don't think your right. I have never and will never deny you the right to speak (well unless your mic spamming or something). I just am saying your right to speak is the same as mine and I am speaking about my disagreeing with what your speaking about. It isn't about who said it or if they are agreeing to be flexible with their idea but the fact I don't like the idea. Also I agree that not all post give insight to a person but you gain more with more contact. In other words the more they talk the more likely you are to find something out about them. wrote ... 6. Minimum Requirements... At least 100 hours on FT servers and at least 30 forum posts before someone could be considered. All it means is that 100 hours and 30 posts is the bare minimum to be considered a 'regular'.That is the official "rule" It says that the thirty posts along with the one hundred hours is the bare minimum "to be considered a 'regular'." All I am trying to say here is that I feel that the thirty post rule isn't the most efficient or necessary way to determine whether or not someone is a regular. The "rule" is in place to say "Hey, this person hasn't been here long enough because they haven't been on the forums enough, they aren't a regular and therefore shouldn't be allowed into the clan yet." What I am trying to get people to discuss is another way to get people to be considered a 'regular' without attaining 30 posts. How about number of visits to the site? You can only have a maximum of 2 per day, so wouldn't that be a possibility? How about an intro thread + 5 other posts coupled with 150 hours combined from FT servers, including 100 on FTC? I was sparking a discussion and you turned it into a "That is the rule, it sucks, DIE!!!" I am saying I think that 30 post is a fine way to get to know someone. I am not turning it into that is the rule and I don't think it sucks. I am turning it into I like it the way it is and you want to change it so I am going to oppose your changes and say to stick to the current and your going to want to change it so you will say your own things. The problem with this is how you are changing it. Your taking this way to personally this is not a attack on you. this is a discussion about what you want to change. A discussion is not everyone agreeing with each other. a discussion is - an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., esp. to explore solutions; informal debate. In other words this is a debate. Your discussing what you feel are solutions and I am putting in input on what I think of your solution. The times I attack you directly have always been because you are not reading or you are using my examples as the only truth or you are trying to tell me who I do and don't know. All the other times I am debating points about your plan and saying that I don't agree with it for these reason. You then say my reason aren't good for this this and this and then I say well I think your wrong because of this this and this. That is what make a debate which is a form of discussion. Pretty much though I don't think there is a way which you can do away with forum post rule and I will not disagree with it. If you want the change so bad then find a way but if I don't agree I will speak up that is just how I am. I like to say what I think and I like debating. You need to take things less personally and be more focused on the task. oh yeh as for forum views how are people going to know you by you looking at the forums? that just means you know people. I don't understand what you mean by combined really. Are you talking equal parts or just like some of the hours are on surf. Also when you suggest things you are bias to the no post at all side. Your numbers are always much lower then the current. |
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Simple solution: Download xfire. Simple truth: She DOES talk in game. Simple reasoning: Play more often You are speaking down to me like I am stupid, you have called me a dumbass because you don't think that I know what the definition of example is. You argue that I am trying to decide who you should and should not know, yet you try to argue that I don't know the definition of example. All I wanted is a simple discussion that should have went like this: "I think that the 30 post requirement is not necessary to determine whether or not someone is a regular" Other's will say "I agree, and I suggest *idea*" Other's will say "I agree, and I suggest *different idea*" Other's will say "I disagree, I feel it should be kept the same" then after a week or so, we say, alright, based on the responses of this discussion we will put up a proposal vote. What happened to this was "I think that the 30 post requirement is not necessary to determine whether or not someone is a regular I think something that could work is this: *idea*, although it can be tweaked for post count + hour count" "No, I don't like that, it should be kept the same, dumbass. *Definition of example*" I initially wanted to state my first idea and let other people in the community put in their own input before everyone starts jumping on each other... I am not saying that people should be permitted entrance right away, I am saying that the requirements to be considered a regular is too much. If you play here for eight months and log in hundreds of hours and you have made an introduction thread, are you not a regular of the server? This is what I am trying to get at. I don't think that 30 posts considers someone 'regular' material or not, and I think something different should be in order. Don't hop on my back saying Kever isn't good enough for the clan, I used her as an example to show that people have been here for a long time (Like Zero, Vega, Madvillain who only recently got into the clan) that should be considered regulars, and therefore nomination material. Ok, so what if there is a failed nomination? Give it some time, then another one will arise. Many people have failed nom's and yet get in on the second or third.. Edited Fri Aug 24 2007, 08:44PM |
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[quote]]Simple solution: Download xfire. Simple truth: She DOES talk in game. Simple reasoning: Play more often You are speaking down to me like I am stupid, you have called me a dumbass because you don't think that I know what the definition of example is. You argue that I am trying to decide who you should and should not know, yet you try to argue that I don't know the definition of example. All I wanted is a simple discussion that should have went like this: "I think that the 30 post requirement is not necessary to determine whether or not someone is a regular" Other's will say "I agree, and I suggest *idea*" Other's will say "I agree, and I suggest *different idea*" Other's will say "I disagree, I feel it should be kept the same" then after a week or so, we say, alright, based on the responses of this discussion we will put up a proposal vote. What happened to this was "I think that the 30 post requirement is not necessary to determine whether or not someone is a regular I think something that could work is this: *idea*, although it can be tweaked for post count + hour count" "No, I don't like that, it should be kept the same, dumbass. *Definition of example*"[/quote] I only treat you like a dumbass when you act like one. When you took my example like it was the only possible way to spam without really spamming that showed you didn't know what a example is. When you assumed who I didn't know I called you a ass because of the saying and because you were looking down on me and trying to tell me who I know. When you ask me questions that were already responded to in the very quote you are responding to I treated you like a dumbass. I had expectations of you to be above all that and before you did any of those I didn't insult you at all. Once again you missed the part where I said when I directly attacked you. The conversation went more like Suggestion shoot it down defend without reading and taking example not as a example defend my position and give definition of example get personal and defend your suggestion defend and attack at points that you got personal I only treat people like morons when they act like them. As for what you wanted in a conversation is not a issue to me. We have conflicting wants and there for conflicting views. Since we both continue to post our views then we continue to have a debate rather then conversation you wanted. The fact is your only fueling what you don't want. As for talking down to you I guess you can call the places I insulted you as that but the rest is not set to talk down to you. It was to shoot down your suggestion. Also for xfire one again you didn't read. This is why I treat you like a dumbass sometimes at least this time it wasn't in the quote you used. I have it so the whole download and all that stuff is unnecessary. It would be more log on and find her name. You also don't listen because I don't like xfire and why should I have to do something I don't like to get to know someone who doesn't seem to want to talk. I don't know if she would but xfire is a pain in the ass. Here are some reasons against xfire 1) I don't like to message people while I am playing a game. 2) It is not combined with other messengers I use so that means I need more then 1 program up. 3) Due to reason 2 it will then slow down the internet and my download as well as use additional possessor. 4) I don't like how it is set up. 5) The only people I would talk to on it are people from FT other then that almost no one I talk uses it. 6) To many random people annoy me who I don't want to talk to. 7) Having a list of people who are on your friends list of friends it has always gotten to me. I want only me to know who is on my friends list. wrote ... I initially wanted to state my first idea and let other people in the community put in their own input before everyone starts jumping on each other... I am not saying that people should be permitted entrance right away, I am saying that the requirements to be considered a regular is too much. If you play here for eight months and log in hundreds of hours and you have made an introduction thread, are you not a regular of the server? This is what I am trying to get at. I don't think that 30 posts considers someone 'regular' material or not, and I think something different should be in order. Don't hop on my back saying Kever isn't good enough for the clan, I used her as an example to show that people have been here for a long time (Like Zero, Vega, Madvillain who only recently got into the clan) that should be considered regulars, and therefore nomination material. Ok, so what if there is a failed nomination? Give it some time, then another one will arise. Many people have failed nom's and yet get in on the second or third.. Zero has had enough post for a long time and same with madvillain just no one nominated them. Also I am not saying your trying to get people in instantly I am saying your opening the door for it. I am saying that it is part of being a regular. the hours is for regular on server and the post are for regular on site. Since they are both part of the community it is nature that they should have time on both to be considered regulars. I am not just talking about failed nominations but personally I think that we should have post requirements to be a regular. I think that it is not asking to much to be not only a regular on the server but also a regular on the site. Also I will hop on whatever I agree or disagree with regardless what you or anyone says. So telling me not to jump on it is just pointless. You might feel that 30 post is pointless but I think that it has a good point. Hell I am most likely one of those people that your talking about. I don't post often unless I feel I got something to say and even I can manage to get up to 900+ post. I don't post in the stories about wu fucking his sister or when goose suddenly puts out a gay picture. I don't go flaming the video's forums or stuff like that and there aren't that many issue like this for me to get all those post and yet somehow I managed to get 900. There are plenty of things you can post about and if it is so pointless then it shouldn't matter for them to come up with something to post about. Here are some ideas. - Philosophy there is a unlimited amount of ideas you can bring up here - Riddles everyone loves them - We got a jokes thread come on everyone has at least heard a funny joke - Videos I am sure you got a video that is funny or awesome that no one has seen - Post about your cute kitties because you can never get enough kitties (this one I found funny) - Post a awesome site you found. - Post a list of things people could post about (wouldn't that be funny) - A new game that is coming out - That level 70 noob that jumped you in darkshire - Something cool you made like a program or some art - Request some art - ANYTHING!!! There are so many things people could post about I am sure something their interested in talking about is on that list. |
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just FYI, I only read the importance of most of yoru long ass posts, and through it all I just have to say.... When you "assume", you make an ASS out of U and ME. You both turn into asses after you assume, so dont point fingers |
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